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Grzegorz_P · Dołączył 882 dni temu Posty: 403

Witam!
To już drugi artykuł jaki trafiłem na ten temat, zapraszam do lektury
Wielka Brytania zamieni funta na euro?
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bebes · Wysłany: 2008-12-20, 16:16

Cytat:

Kryzys finansowy zmienił mentalność Brytyjczyków. Przyjęcie wspólnej waluty nie traktuje się już w Londynie w kategoriach political fiction, ale raczej jako jedną z realnych możliwości

Więcej w Onet.pl i "Dzienniku".

unknown · Wysłany: 2008-12-20, 17:07

Coraz częściej o tym słychać, jednak moim zdaniem w najbliższym czasie zabraknie wyraźnego punktu zwrotnego, po którym zabiorą sią do dzieła.
No chyba, że kryzys na tyle się rozbuja, że gospodarka wyspiarzy zacznie dogorywać.

Obecnie zbyt wiele państw pcha sie do strefy.
Przyjęcie nawet większości z nich w krótkim czasie to byłby zbyt wielki szok i ryzyko wytrącenia systemu z równowagi.
Jak kryzys sie pogłębi może się zdarzyć, że Unia we własnym interesie powie "stop - kto jest już z nami, ten jest, reszta na drzewa..." ;-)

Grzegorz_P · Dołączył 882 dni temu Posty: 403

Witam!
Faktycznie, to dość znani oportuniści, nawet swoje pinty, jardy i mile wywalczyli ;-)

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bimetalja · Dołączył 813 dni temu Posty: 344 Skąd: Wrocław

No, no ...
http://biznes.interia.pl/...cz-euro,1237363

Grzegorz_P · Dołączył 882 dni temu Posty: 403

Witam!
Raczej nic z tego nie będzie, przynajmniej w bliższym okresie, znamienny jest akapit podsumowujący:

Cytat:

To właśnie złe zarządzanie publicznymi pieniędzmi naraziło W. Brytanię na światowy kryzys. Odpowiedzią na to nie jest przeniesienie decyzji monetarnych do Europejskiego Banku Centralnego, ale przywrócenie wiarygodności brytyjskich władz - uważa gazeta.

Zresztą, wg ostatniego sondażu, około 70% Brytyjczyków nie chce zamienić £ na €!
Tak jak te swoje pinty, mile itp.!
Pocieszające jest to, iż w ogóle się dyskutuje ;-)

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bebes · Wysłany: 2009-01-17, 16:11

Ciekawe stanowisko, zobaczymy czy się spełni.
A co ? Przyjęcie euro przez Brytyjczyków przed 2019.

Polecam zaglądać na strony EU Observer.

A oto cały artykuł.

Cytat:

I predict Britain will join the euro in 2016

PETER SAIN LEY BERRY

16.01.2009

Ten years ago, the euro was born, As it happened I was in Austria on a ski-ing trip. I remember a bright sunny morning, blue skies and a whiteness of snow on the mountains. The moment seemed monumental, the creation of a common currency by 11 states, the end of all those romantic names - franc, schilling, deutsche mark, peseta, escudo - that we had shuffled in our wallets as travelling students.

I don't know quite what I was expecting that 1 January - fire in the heavens perhaps, or some celestial sign that we were leaving old Europe behind and entering a new age. The child in me has always expected some grand physical accompaniment to major change. I am always disappointed, by the Millennium especially: life goes on much as before and nobody on that calm Friday morning seemed to notice the euro's arrival. Even the schillings limped on for a further three years.

Many hoped that the United Kingdom would be part of this single currency. The advantages seemed compelling on any consideration but the shortest of short terms. They still seem compelling - indeed more compelling because in 1999 there was a real risk that the euro might fail. Plenty of influential folk appeared virulently determined to sabotage the new currency if they could. Even today there continues loose talk of the eurozone splitting apart and countries abandoning the euro.

The reality is that ten years on the euro is accepted as the world's second reserve currency. It is strong and respected. It has boosted intra-European trade and thereby helped to create sixteen million new jobs, three times the number created in the previous ten years. The eleven founding states of the eurozone have been joined by five more so that over half the Union's states and two thirds of its citizens now use the one currency. It is a great protection for them in the current economic turmoil. Two states outside the Union, Montenegro and Kosovo have also adopted the euro. More will surely follow.

Of course there are localised stresses and strains. What did anyone expect? Goodness! Are there not stresses and strains in those countries, like Britain, that have kept their own currencies? But the more one considers, the more the enormity of the accomplishment becomes clear. Hans-Gert Pöttering, President of the European Parliament, described it as ‘one of the most important historical decisions made in the EU.' I can think of only one more important: that of creating the European community in the first place.

Where does that leave Britain? Despite the protestations of her politicians - Prime Minister Gordon Brown has specifically ruled out joining the euro ‘next year and beyond;' while William Hague, shadow foreign secretary, has said ‘never' to the prospect - I personally believe that British membership of the euro is inevitable. Put brutally, we as a nation have to earn our keep by trade and the pound is too weak and too unstable to enable us to do this effectively.

But whereas once Britain might have joined the euro from a position of strength, and as a result of a positive commitment, now we shall be driven into the euro like a drowning man struggling aboard a life raft. This will not happen in the next year or two - we shall in any case need to re-qualify ourselves - but I suspect Britain will be on board well before the euro's twentieth anniversary.

We do, after all, always join European projects late. We took 170 years to join the rest of Europe in the Gregorian calendar, resulting in a troublesome décallage between Dover and Calais, not of an hour, but of 11 days. We have taken even longer to follow Europe into the metric system. We were 17 years late in joining what was then the European Economic Community (thereby losing the opportunity to structure the Common Fisheries and Common Agriculture policies, as well as the way of calculating contributions). We were late in joining the ERM - the precursor to monetary union - and so enraged our partners by our lack of commitment that they refused to give adequate support when speculators attacked the pound. We left the ERM at great cost, triggering yet another devaluation of the pound.

Open a British newspaper from the 1950s and you will see in the advertisements names of companies that supplied cars, aeroplanes, engines, ships, locomotives and engineering of every sort. Exported all over the world. Precious few remain today. Our trade imbalance in manufactured goods is massive.

Had the euro been in existence then, the pound might have bought eight of them. Fifty years later it barely buys one.

If a weak currency helped exporters then countries like Germany and Japan would not have trade surpluses and Britain's exports would still be king. But devaluation of the currency is a cheap drug - a quick shot in the arm. In the long term it impoverishes the country with inflation.

The last six months have seen a further substantial devaluation of the pound. Against other currencies it is down 25 per cent. Even if half of this is recovered we shall have staggered even further towards a worthless currency. It cannot go on.

In the first flush of his 1997 election victory Tony Blair had the opportunity of winning a referendum on the euro. But he preferred to take advantage of the moment to hold a referendum on Scottish and Welsh devolution. Thus did our best chance with the euro slip through our fingers.

Today only about a quarter of the electorate support Britain joining the euro. Not surprising when the drip of vitriol and bias continues year in year out in much of the British media. Or when the Conservative opposition front bench are selected for their opposition to the currency project.

Nevertheless, it is a fact that all difficult European decisions in Britain have been taken by Conservative governments. For all their hostility in opposition, in government ultimately the Conservatives are realists. William Hague's remarks about ‘never' should therefore be taken with a pinch of salt. Almost certainly it will be a Conservative Government that will drag a reluctant Britain into the Single Currency.

Seventeen years of lateness would see us embracing the euro in 2016. That seems as good a date as any, though whether any Briton will be able to afford to cross the Channel by then is anyone's guess.

The author is an independent commentator on European affairs

Grzegorz_P · Dołączył 882 dni temu Posty: 403

Witam!
Najważniejsze że dyskusja się toczy, bo do tej pory Anglicy twardo utrzymywali się przy funcie, bez dyskusji, bez planów etc.
A tu ciekawe spojrzenie z punktu gospodarczego, co teraz mamy nie będąc w strefie euro:
Preezs Sobieszak: Zapłacimy za brak euro!
Tak jak powiedział prof. Gomułka, filozofia p. Kaczyńskiego [obojętnie którego, bo i tak są zbieżne, jak to u bliźniaków czterojajecznych], przyjęcia eurowaluty, jak osiągniemy dzisiejszy poziom gospodarczy UE, nie ma żadnych podstaw racjonalnych, bo po pierwsze primo, gdyby UE zatrzymała się w miejscu to potrwałoby to jakieś 30 - 50 lat [dochodzenie do ich poziomu gospodarczego], a ponieważ UE w miejscu nie stoi, to ta teoria jest błędna; po drugie primo, gdyby przyjąć euro już teraz, zyskalibyśmy na przyspieszeniu poprzez inwestycje, zwiększaniu miejsc pracy i uniknęli sytuacji jak w artykule!
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